To Shaq or not to Shaq
Certain NBA fans can be brutal to some of the players their teams have chosen to wear their jersey. Whether it’s some sort of subconscious form of reverse psychology or the unrealistic expectations that these players must perform perfectly throughout each and every game, fans have been known to have their favorite punching bags. Miami Heat players with this distinction of being punching bags include Antoine Walker and Michael Beasley. Every mistake, big or small, made a player like this elicits groans and hollers from the crowd.
Some players however don’t really deserve the unconditional love that some fans shower them with. The acquisition of the NBA’s largest personality Shaquille O’Neal by the Heat in 2004 to pair up with a young Dwyane Wade and form a powerful duo promised to take the Heat to new heights. While Shaq was very near the end of his prime, his larger than life personality and likeability instantly won over South Florida. In his first years with the Heat he was arguably the league’s most valuable player but soon his production would tail off dramatically and that’s when problems soon began.
In front of the cameras, Shaq was boisterous and charismatic but behind the scenes he soon grew tired of then-coach Stan Van Gundy’s coaching style and intensity. Anyone paying attention to Shaq’s body language during timeouts and conversations with his coach could see that they weren’t exactly on the same page. Frustrations grew to the point that Shaq became furious with his role at the end of the 2005 playoff series loss to the Detroit Pistons. Soon after only 21 games into the next season, Van Gundy all of a sudden needed to spend time with his family and left his post. Though to this day many like to lay the blame solely on Riley’s shoulders for the change, most who follow the Heat closely know it wasn’t as simple as that.
It paid off quickly as Pat Riley soon after coached the team to the team’s lone title in 2006 with solid contributions from the Diesel (and even Walker).
All those good vibes went down the toilet two years later in 2008 as a clearly frustrated Shaq, quickly losing mobility and desire to give maximum effort, pretty much quit on the team. Whether it’s because he also grew tired of Riley’s demanding ways or was ready to move on, he began accumulating many questionable injuries and would soon become merely a spectator on the bench while the once-championship worthy squad sank to new lows.
Shaq wasn’t going to stand for all the losing and soon wanted to seek greener pastures. Riley was nice enough to send him packing to a good team in Phoenix Suns (whereas someone like me would have preferred to have sent him to a lottery-bound team).
Shaq wasted no time in heralding his new team and their medical staff with helping him heal from his injuries while badmouthing the Miami Heat and their players like Chris Quinn, saying he was glad not to be playing with them.
After another pit stop in Cleveland to chase another title and catch up with his former Lakers teammate Kobe Bryant, Shaq is now rumored to want to hitch his wagon to the Miami Heat.
How convenient. Now that the Heat are widely expected to be one of the elite teams in the league with their new free agency acquisitions, he wants to come back?
Never mind getting rid of his first coach before undermining him throughout their time together, then tuning out his preferred coach Riley and forcing his way out of a bad team when it wasn’t worth his effort anymore.
Unbelievably, some Heat fans who are still blinded by his public image of charisma and charm want him back as well. Apparently, they didn’t see how much he slowed down LeBron James’ former team and how the Cleveland Cavs played better without him, much like what was the case in Phoenix.
Strictly from a basketball stand-point, his lethargic game would slow down any notion of a “Showtime Lakers” style of game that coach Erik Spoelstra should institute. Who knows when he’d start complaining about Spo. He’s also the league’s oldest player.
Now that Riley has finally cleared Shaq’s chunk of cap space after all this time with Shawn Marion and Jermaine O’Neal coming and going, he wants to come back when a championship may be near?
Sorry Shaq, but you burned your bridges on the way out and Riley isn’t as forgiving as some of the fans are. Try your luck somewhere else and remember that it was your attitude behind the scenes and not in front that’s the main reason why.
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Dan Lebatard continually says that Riley taking over for Van Gundy was a legit situation and not a power move by Shaq.
But hell no to Shaq coming back, he is a defensive liability and is good for nothing more than a distraction for this year’s Heat team. Shaq is nothing special anymore…just as well off with Z, Anthony, and another space eater.
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Surya Fernandez Reply:
July 13th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
We’ll never know exactly what happened unless Stan spills the beans one day but there’s no denying that Shaq had a hand in it one way or the other. In other words, it wasn’t like he was standing by his coach or anything.
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shawn Reply:
July 13th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
shaq needs to retire already, i dont want him back with miami,
his ego is bigger than the heats big 3
always going to be demanding the ball and taking credit
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B Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 3:18 am
Save the crap!!! Shaq going to the heat would be the best bet. Big Z is ok but Shaq is a more physical presence and you know it. They are gonna need a big man to face bynum, howard, perkins and the other big men of the league and shaq is ideal for that task. Slow the Heat down?? U think they need Shaq to run the floor or something?? They just need him to be a presence and handle the big men. You think Shaq really is gonna go down there and think hes the main attraction?? That man is concerned about his legacy and he doesnt need money, fan love, or anything else. He needs those rings!!!
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B Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 3:19 am
Defensive liability?? Wtf is Big Z?? He is less mobile than Shaq!!! Your logic is flawed
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you know, I’ve been a fan of this team for a long time and I hated Shaq on his way in and I also hated him on his way out. But at the end of the day, they are throwing a basketball in a hoop and I surely wouldn’t mind him off the bench and if he happens to hurt the team, then cut the minutes. Simple as that. The heat don’t have many choices right now other than minimums so looking at this from a basketball standpoint I would sign him, but as a fan I wouldn’t. But also, as a fan I want rings because other than 06 the past 15 or so years supporting this team have been exciting at times but frustrating regardless. I say sign him as a back up
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Ken Reply:
July 13th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
I totally agree. He’s gonna be the defensive/slash offensive beast and also serve as an intimidation factor towards the other bench players if he signs back up with the heat. This will allow the first team to be productive, with a follow through with the second team to create a gap that even the opponents first team would not be able to come back from. In simpler words, theres no bench center that could take shaquille o’neal on, so he’d ball on em all day!
PS: LONG LIVE MIAMI IVE BEEN A SEASON TICKET HOLDER SINCE 04. NO POSERS CAN CLAIM TO BE A HEAT FAN JUST CUZ OF THE BIG . 7 CHAMPIONSHIPS HERE WE COME
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James Reply:
July 13th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Don’t you mean, “Strictly from a basketball stand-put”…? Seriously, what’s going on with the writing on this site? Most of the comments are more grammatically correct.
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ronald Reply:
July 13th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
stand·point (stndpoint)
n.
A position from which things are considered or judged; a point of view.
The word stand-put does not exist buddy. So why don’t you tell me whats going on with the writing on this site…????
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James Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 4:15 am
Dude, referring to the actual article. “Strictly from a basketball stand-put, his lethargic game would slow down any notion of a “Showtime Lakers” style of game that coach Erik Spoelstra should institute.” Third to last paragraph. Thanks for the English lesson, “buddy.”
James Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 4:17 am
In case you need further clarification, I was mock-criticizing your comment, because the actual article included the f***ing non-word “stand-put.” Let’s try to tone down the defensiveness, pal. Okay, friend?
Surya Fernandez Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Flying over to Vegas on my own dime to cover the Summer League and decided to write something (instead of sleeping) with my laptop jabbing my chest while the guy in front of me reclines his seat all the way back. This is the thanks I get. I’ll correct it right now so I don’t offend you. Trust me, I think I have better grammar than some of the Bulls fans writing over here (I believe in adding a period to sentences). You’ve never seen a typo in the Herald and Sun-Sentinel?
James Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Fair enough, Surya. My apologies, just thought it was a strange typo. Enjoy Summer League.
Surya Fernandez Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Ha ha, it’s all good. Just glad you’re here and enjoying the site (hopefully)!
No way shaq is even offered the opportunity.
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Shaq may not be the player he once was, but he is still one of the five best centers in the league today. If you watched the playoffs, then you watched how shaq competed against dwight howard and won. Also he was the only player that could get Bostons big men into foul trouble. Shaq is still a great passer, and still is tremendous presence in the paint on offense , as well as defense.
d defense.
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James Reply:
July 13th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
#1. No, he’s not a top 5 center. Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez, Chris Kaman, Al Jefferson, Tim Duncan. That was simple. There’s also about 5-10 other guys that anyone would rather have over Shaq.
#2. What are you talking about? The Cavs didn’t play the Magic in the playoffs. He may have helped had they reached that stage, but, um, they didn’t. He did fine against Dwight in the regular season, and he did a nice job in 2 games of the Boston series drawing fouls. But that was his total contribution…for the whole year. He took more off the table than he brought to it.
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Shaq Fan Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 7:38 am
Tim Duncan is not a center. Have a great day.
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James Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=215
What’s listed next to his name?
James Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
But fine. Kendrick Perkins is a center. David Lee is listed as a center, and so are Al Horford and Emeka Okafor. All 4 of those guys are more productive than Shaq.
David Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
A few centers better than shaq right now: Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez, Andrew Bynum, Andrew Bogut, Marc Gasol, Brendan Haywood, Al Horford, Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman….that being said i think shaq coming off the bench would be a valuable asset. The only thing holding us back from being the 100% favorite is size/aggression at the center position. We need someone to contend with Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum and to beat out Kendrick Perkins on the boards
yep, he is still a humongous douche and a locker room destroyer as well. We dont need that down here. I really cant believe how myopic people are. Every single team he has played for he has bashed and burned his bridges. He occasionally says a funny thing or two and people like him. He wanted to go back to LA last year and tried to kiss butt to get back in the team and they wisely did the same thing the heat will do, thanks but no thanks.
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all we need him to do is push bodies around and hurt people. i think he still has some fight in him. plus with the big three on the team his role would be diminished a great deal leaving him open or available to make moves on the court. yeah off the bench he will be good.
but he better come in with the right set of mind and realize he is officially a prop and not the center of focus.
GO HEAT!!!
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With the signing of a big guy that can actually shoot the ball, Big Z, i don’t think that this would even be an option…if it ever was! Personally i think he would hinder the team by clogging up the lanes (which will greatly reduce the “Showtime” factor from our 3) and all we need are games on the line because of “hack a Shaq”. Na, he’s had his day on the Heat. Lets focus on youth for the future, Anthony, etc.
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The Heat had or currently have how many rings without Shaq? With Shaq they got one! Yes his numbers are down and yes he should go off to the basketball hall of FAME. The Heat are severly undersized and need a big body. If for nothing eles to bang with the Celtics and Lakers. If not the Trio will still be without a ring. You choose.
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I feel that Shaq off the bench couldn’t help. He could do alot off the bench but I doubt he would want that. With his attitude, he would kill us. If he’s willing to do whatever it takes to get the next ring, then bring him back.
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Shaq Fan Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Shaq, Z or Anthony…. WHo should start
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Ok people, so a good amount of folks don’t want Shaq, then who else? Please don’t say Illgauskas is enough because he isn’t.. The Heat have an opportunity to have two centers at 7″2 & 7″3. Like I said, I hate him and he should be diminished to a role player. But look at history.. Centers make a big difference in the playoffs. The money left over is for minimums which will now prob pick up Bell after Juwan Howard & Illgauskas are finalized. I don’t think they need him but once again, we are talking about two 7 plus footer here. That combined with the big 3 and consistent 3 point field goals is scary.
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Heh, this is amusing. As a Laker fan, the reception Shaq is getting after all these years is really interesting.
As for him helping the Heat, I think he could. He’s lazy and unmotivated, but can be given the right circumstances. He could definitely spell some time at Center to combat Howard and Perkins / Jermaine, and it’s not like Z is springing with athleticism either.
And Shaq WILL be motivated. He heard what Kobe said about Kobe having more rings than Shaq. That’s some powerful stuff there, and he will definitely latch on to claim that Wade has never won a ring without him (although that statement won’t last either way).
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the don wont have him back
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Shaq has basically lost all his mobility. He’s horrible defending the P&R, and he’s basically unable to rebound anything that doesn’t bounce directly at him. Yes he can mimic something better than a corpse for stretches by pounding the ball and launching some off balance hook shot, but when you have guys like Bosh, Wade and James you do not need to waste any possessions “tossing the ball” into Shaq.
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Oookay. I dislike Shaq as much as the next guy for his attitude, but that’s him. He was such in Orlando, he was such in LA and he was such in his previous Miami stay. He got 4 championships being him. Shaq is Shaq.
With Wade, Lebron and Bosh being SUPERFRIENDS, I don’t think Shaq can come in and ruin any chemistry. It’d be 3 against 1. The second he steps out of line, he’s out. (Sad, since he’s older). I think he’s older and wiser so I don’t mind it.
Worst case scenario? He gives us 6 more hard fouls to give on Howard, Perkins, and most importantly, Bynum+Gasol. Off the bench, perfect.
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Something to think about here: Both Wade and LeBron have played with Shaq and know him well. There have been plenty of reports about all the recruiting that both Wade and LeBron have been doing. If Shaq was someone who they felt could help this team win a title, don’t you think LeBron and D-Wade would’ve called him up by now? Or at least convinced the Heat organization to consider bringing him back?
The word right now is that Shaq is interested in the Heat, but the Heat don’t want Shaq. That should tell us all something about what Wade and LeBron think of Shaq right now.
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James Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 4:42 am
And also, I watched almost all of the Cavs games last year. Trust me, the Heat don’t want any part of Shaq basketball-wise. It’s nice to have a big guy around sometimes, but he hurt that team more often than not. And the Cavs played a slow-it-down, grind-it-out pace. Imagine how poorly he’ll fit in on Showtime 2.0.
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If a team throws the ball to Shaq 10 possesions in a row and then watches him he will slow them down. If a team stops trying to feature him. He will not.
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There is no need for shaq! Here is the depth chart:
PG Jason Williams, Mario Chalmers
SG Dwayne Wade, Raja Bell, (Tracy Mcgrady)
SF Lebron James, Mike Miller, (Tracy Mcgrady)
PF Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem, (Juwan Howard)
C Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Joel Anthony, (Juwan Howard)
The Flexibility of that team is the strength that it carries. At any moment of the game you can have a dynamic duo in the game or Miami thrice. Combinations of WADE/BOSH, LEBRON/BOSH, WADE/LEBRON, and WADE/BOSH/LEBRON will continually be rotated. When Miami thrice is on the floor wade or lebron handles the pg duties and you throw mike miller or tracy mcgrady in the game. When its a dynamic duo throw either pg, either a sf or sg as need, and any post combination and you have an average title contender. This is Pat Riley’s vision, a team that is always equipped to look like a title contender on the floor, with spots of dynasty for wrinkles of showtime. This depth chart could win it all without even considering a breakout draft pick or the fact that Eric Dampier could be on the market at the start of the season.
Defensively, I have no idea what type of analyst Espn hired but Lebron and Wade are two of the top on the ball, weakside, roaming defenders in the league today. Wade and Lebron both block shots like a big and wade steals the ball with the quickness of any point guard. The quick point guards are of no concern. When we played Boston in the first round we let rondo do whatever, and if we could have got some help, like we got from the support in the game we won everynight, we would have taken that series to seven. Compare this squad to that one and you will get the point of the analogy easily, our defensive scheme is made to shut down wing superstars and bigs, rondo or any other quick point will not be enough to take down this squad.
P.S. If Tony Allen stopped Wade in that series, then why did he average ~33 ppg. It wasn’t Tony Allen that stopped Wade, it was the lack of offensive production in the post that stopped Wade. And we may need an extra wing defender but I can’t think of anyone that is available now that Tony Allen is gone, but he wanted money anyway. Did Wesley Matthews already sign somewhere, he did pretty good against the superstars in the playoffs?
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Pragmatic Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Add kurt thomas to that depth chart next to juwan howard. They can play in any combination with Haslem and Joel Anthony. Keep Desean Butler (he was a good defender in college, hopefully it translates considering that is the only thing we will be able to contribute right after the injury) and either Pittman or Vernaedo, not both. The Dynasty is complete!
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Also, Wade said today that locker room personalities are the most important thing considered right now. NO SHAQ!
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Opinion on Shaq joining the Heat seems to be literally divided 50/50. Very interesting. I doubt it will happen but if it did it would be interesting to hear the reaction in the arena the first time he would get into a game.
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Jay Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 12:17 am
I think you have a roughly 50/50 split because there are fans out there who are putting aside their emotions and recognizing that the Big Fella could serve a very critical role on this team in a limited capacity.
I’ve said it in other threads, and I’ll say it here: Let him and Big Z split the first 3 quarters at the center position and then let Bosh handle it in the 4th quarter. In the 4th quarter, they should be running Bosh at C, Haslem at PF, Miller at SF, Wade at SG and LeBron at PG.
As far as reactions go, you’re going to have a lot of fans acting like jilted lovers if the Heat DO pick him up. But I think that will all subside because if his last two years have shown anything, he’s actually learning he isn’t the main attraction anymore and has accepted the role player’s position. Not to mention, winning fixes just about everything on a basketball court.
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shawn Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 2:01 am
its not what shaq can do on the court its how he left last time,, just bad mouthing everyone
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Jay Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Not to be totally sarcastic about it but are we (Miami fans) trying to date Shaq or win a championship?
I’m NOT a fan of how he left and I get why people are having a knee-jerk reaction to the idea of him coming back, but its been a few years and the guy seems to have accepted lesser roles in other locations without any drama. I got to believe if Andrew Bynum can get over Kobe basically talking about him like a chump that Bosh can get over the “RuPaul” comment.
I really think with a tight nucleas of Miller, Haslem, Bosh, Wade, LeBron and Z, you’ve got people who are legitimately friends and/or have had relationships with each other for years, and I do not think Shaq’s presense in this particular lockerroom is going to spoil that or disrupt that in any way. I think Shaq circa ’04 would have, but not the Shaq since ’08. He’s spent 3 seasons as a clear 2nd, 3rd and 4th fiddle. He gets it finally and I think for a minimum contract deal, the Heat would be hard press to find anyone better suited to deal with the few roadblocks they’ll have on their way to the Finals.
Again, I understand the angst some people have towards Shaq’s departure. It’s understandable and a perfectly normal emotional response to what happened. All I’m saying is that has nothing to do with whether he can help on the court or not and when it comes to match ups involving Howard, the Celtics, and all of the Lakers’ length, I believe he’d be a HUGE asset.
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James Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Two follow-ups: word is, he wants two years at something north of the mid-level. He may be willing to forget those demands to play with the Heat, but still, pretty far off money-wise.
Also, with respect to him apologizing to the city and the team before signing…again, why risk it? This team doesn’t NEED someone who has to make public amends just to get considered for the roster. They’re lacking in length and big bodies, I know, but find it elsewhere. If there’s a drop-off in production from Shaq to “elsewhere,” so be it. Because really, you can NOT afford to risk locker room issues with this type of talent.
Jay Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Ps. Let me ask you this…hypothetically, if he was to attempt to make some “amends” with the city and the fan base during or right before his signing, would you feel any better about him being brought back?
Not like I’m going to call him and tell him this lol but its just my own curousity because you and several other people here appear to have the same opinion. So I’m just trying to understand the other side.
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James Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
I understand what people are saying about “he couldn’t possibly be so disruptive at this stage” and “we’d just need him to be a backup”…but people, this is SHAQ. No matter how much he says he’s just a role player, no matter how much he plays nice, he’s still gonna be a major part of the locker room and the team composition. He’s a legend of the game and was the biggest personality of the NBA for about a decade. He’s GOING to affect a locker room. That could be in a positive or a negative way, but the point is, why risk it? There’s already enough talent to win without him…one of the only things that could derail this team is chemistry issues. Might he bring some positive basketball aspects to the table? Possibly. But does the reward outweigh the risk? No way.
u know what after remembering how things went down the last time he was here. i prefer he stay out. let him watch what he left behind. lol.
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if Shaq can do the job against bynum, howard, perkins, then get him. remember why celtics lost Game 7 of 2010? the only legitimate center got injured. they also lost rebounding-wise.
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Shaq at 37 and with a 4 inches vertical is still one of the top 10 centers in the NBA, just giv him 7 mins playing time in the playoffs and the likes of Gasol Bynum Perkins or Dwight Howard will think twice of playing in the MIddle.. thats what he’ll bring– INTIMIDATION.. Celtics was beaten at the Center position thats why they signed Jermaine oneal as assurance. There are 3 options for shaq– Celtics, Miami or Lakers. Bandwagon or not those teams would rather have him and not face him in a RUGGED PLAYOFF Game…
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Shaq is not a leader. He never has been. Read “The Show” for a great insider account of his Machivellian tactics to hold back Kobe. He’s a locker room cancer. You can’t sign him, and then “cut his minutes” if he’s not producing. He’ll pout, undermine the coach, make up injuries, and destroy team morale.
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Don’t forget Shaq also called Chris Bosh the “RuPaul of the NBA.” I’m sure Bosh hasn’t forgotten that. How are the Heat going to share offensive possessions when Shaq is going to want the ball every time? He isn’t a defensive player, more like a liability. I loved how when he left the Heat for a first place Suns team, he goes in front of the cameras and points at his ring finger like he’s going to lead the Phoenix to a championship. By the end of the year, they didn’t even make the playoffs. No Fat Shaq!!
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This is directed to James (for whatever reason I’m not showing a “Reply” button on my end; perhaps the pro-“Shaq-to-Heat” fans aren’t allowed to reply anymore lol):
Anyway, you bring up some solid points. I happen to see it differently but I can’t say you’re not without a sound argument for why the Heat should NOT add him. A couple things, and we can end up leaving this with us just agreeing to disagree.
I heard/read the same thing about him looking for the MLE, and if that’s the case, I’d say its not worth it. If he did come aboard for the vet’s minimum though and with us all knowing he was really looking for the full MLE, I’d say that’s a positive sign towards his willingness to accept that lesser role without issue.
The whole “apologizing” or making amends thing was really just to flush out why people were adamantly saying “NO!” to the idea of having him back on the team. You laid out a well thought out reason why you didn’t want to see him on the team. But that was just you and a handful of other people. So that’s why I asked if him making amends would make a difference for that significant portion of the fan base that just doesn’t like HIM, and not necessarily his potential limited role on this basketball team.
I’m of the opinion that if you have a strong culture in place, a player deemed as a “problem”, “disruptive”, and/or “cancer” is going to have their normal chemistry impact marginalized. That’s what I believe would happen here. I don’t see it as much risk at all because of the nucleus of legitimate friends on the team. He’d have to get in where he fits and play the role he’s asked, just like he did in Cleveland. That team was pretty tight before he got there and he fit in where he was asked and that was it. No reports ever came out indicating he fractured the locker room or anything of the sort.
In the end, I liken this situation to when the Bulls brought in Rodman, Celtics brought in Marbury, Detroit brought in Rasheed, Lakers brought in Artest, Rockets brought in Mad Maxwell, and so on and so on. There was a strong culture in place and no matter how crazy, disruptive, and/or cancer prone any of these guys were, for the chance at a title they were on their best behavior and played their role.
To be clear, I’m in no way suggesting I can guarantee it would work out perfectly. I’m not going to write the antithesis of this article and tell you that I ABSOLUTELY KNOW that it WOULD work. I just see a void on this team in terms of physicality in the center position and for the minimum contract, I see the pros vastly outweighing the cons.
I know you don’t agree, so like I said earlier, we can agree to disagree.
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James Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Jay, well thought-out and completely valid points. I’m with you through the whole analysis, and I think we both identify the positives and negatives similarly. I especially agree with you saying that a single “bad” locker-room type can be overcome with a strong team culture–that’s certainly been proven throughout the years, and I’d love it if the Heat could bring in a guy like that and have similar results to the Bulls with Rodman or the Lakers with Artest.
I guess my evaluation of those positives and negatives just results in “No,” and yours results in “Yes.” Like you said, agree to disagree. And either way, this is going to be one hell of a team to watch. Go Heat!
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Jay Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
I’m going to laugh if we hear in the next hour he signed in Atlanta.
I agree, it’s definitely going to be one hell of a team!
I appreciate the discussion.
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Shaq or no Shaq the Heat will never become champions because 3 egos don’t get you a trophy. Only publicity.
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shawn Reply:
July 17th, 2010 at 3:05 am
wow ur such a troll u flaker fan
sound so scared
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