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The Miami Heat resume their NBA Summer League with Monday’s 6:30pm game against the Boston Celtics at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas.
Heat rookie Jaime Jaquez Jr. (left shoulder) missed Saturday’s win against the Boston Celtics. Nikola Jovic (sore left foot) is questionable to play today but remains hopeful.
Portland's Cronin needs to know that Kobe Bryant, Jalen Rose, Dale Davis, Karl Marlone were drafted overall 13th picks and did not start making their mark in the NBA until their 4th year and for some in their 5th year. Tyler Herro is on course to be that great.
Here's one of the latest "pie in the sky" trade scenarios being discussed by Blazer fans. It must be a combination of Cronin's gaslighting and the wide variety of available hallucinagenics.
Raptors get: Damian Lillard, Nassir Little
Blazers get: Scottie Barnes, Gary Trent Jr., Chris Boucher, Thaddeus Young, Otto Porter Jr., Toronto’s unprotected first-round pick in 2028, and a pick swap in 2029
From Miami Herald’s Anthony Chiang’s mailbag (includes an interesting fact where, again, Herro has achieved something few other recent draftees have):
“ Tyler: Where do you think Tyler Herro fits best around the league? I’ve seen plenty of rumors about Brooklyn and San Antonio as possible landing spots, and I think either one would be great for him. But beyond that I don’t know who else would be reaching out and trading for him for equal/near equal value.
Anthony Chiang: I’m going to assume you’re a different Tyler and not Tyler Herro himself. Who knows where Herro will end up if the Heat trades for Damian Lillard. But it is strange how Herro’s perceived value on the trade market has been diminished throughout this process. Sure, Herro is entering the first season of a four-year extension that could be worth as much as $130 million, but that contract is going to look better in a few years when the salary cap continues to rise. He’s also just 23 years old (one year older than Heat rookie Jaime Jaquez Jr.) and has already won the NBA’s Sixth Man of the Year Award. Herro is a gifted scorer who has continued to show signs of improvement, averaging 20-plus points in each of the last two seasons. Among those drafted into the NBA since 2019, Herro is one of only six players who has averaged at least 20 points per game in the regular season at least twice during their careers. The others are Zion Williamson, LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards, Darius Garland and Ja Morant.
Herro will never be an elite defender, but he even displayed growth on that end of the court this past season and has been well-schooled in the Heat’s system. Is Herro a perfect player? No. Do the Trail Blazers already have a bunch of young guards on their roster? Yes. But Herro shouldn’t be portrayed as a negative asset because he’s not that. In fact, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reported this week that there are multiple teams that would trade at least one first-round pick for Herro, and even that seems a bit low for what Herro should command on the trade market.”
NBA Rumors: Heat lowball Blazers in Damian Lillard trade talks. (Fansided)
"Basically, the Heat aren’t going to offer more than they have to for Lillard. Unless another team forces their hand — or the Blazers actually threaten to keep Lillard — the Heat simply won’t put forward their best offer.
This is how every trade negotiation plays out, but given the magnitude and complexity of this particular situation, these talks could drag out for months. The Heat are the favorites to land Dame, but don’t expect the move to be announced tomorrow."
From what I can tell sorting through the rumors and podcasts over the past few days...
Nobody besides the Heat is even putting together an offer. Utah, San Antonio, and Brooklyn seem like they would rather trade for Herro, who is younger, getting paid less, and would require fewer trade assets. Brilliant move by Cronin to let the entire league know they could have a younger cheaper option than Dame for a fraction of the trade price, effectively creating a cheaper alternative to the trade he wanted to make and eliminating potential trade partners.
Riley seems like he smells blood, and again just reading between the lines, it sounds like he's lowballing Cronin. The rumor mill has made it clear that the Heat can get at least 1 first round pick, maybe two in exchange for Herro. My guess is that Riley is willing to throw in a couple first round picks and Jovic but not Jaquiz or Caleb, but that is obviously just a guess. I'm guessing Lowry and Duncan are the outgoing salary, and Nurkic comes with Dame.
Cronin is playing the last card he has left, which is to say he's willing to just hold on to Dame and go into the season with his team upside down
So the Heat have two choices. They can up their offer, throw in their last pick and Jaquez and maybe Caleb or some of the Skyforce. Or they can hold out and hope the Blazers get desperate before the season starts.
Based on all of that, it seems like this trade probably won't happen until September. Cronin can get out of the spotlight once football season starts. Riley can throw in an extra pick but keep Jaquez. Cronin doesn't have any other offers and Riley doesn't have any other targets. Unless someone blinks, there is no reason for either of them to rush it
Talking about former Heat free agents... Kendrick Nunn, Goran Dragic, Derrick Jones Jr., Markieff Morris, Justise Winslow, Rodney McGruder, Chris Silva, Meyers Leonard, Moe Harkless, KZ Okpala, Dion Waiters and James Johnson. (What happened to Tyler Johnson?)
Cronin is stalling and delaying to hurt the Heat and Dame's chances for adding a decent supporting cast. These reports are hilarious about the Clipeprs and Celtics. They have less than the Heat with players they are willing to give up.
“ According to Shams Charania of The Athletic, his report details a first-round pick as a potential return for Herro. An asking price that’s not only extremely achievable for the Utah Jazz but is an opportunity they should act on expeditiously.
We know how well the Jazz are stockpiled with draft assets, specifically with first-rounders. It’s much easier said than done to draft a player of Herro’s caliber with one of those selections, so throwing a single pick into a multi-team deal to send him to Utah wouldn’t be the worst decision by any metric.
Sure, his contract does have some weight attached to it, but it’s nothing the Jazz can’t handle on their books. With a low-risk, high-reward addition of Herro, it’s the perfect opportunity to maximize the assets on hand for Danny Ainge and Co.
The hesitancy from making a deal because of the contract implications for a 23-year-old averaging 20 points a game should be borderline irrelevant. There’s clear potential and value in Herro as a player. Passing on that upside and production for such a small reported price is a hard sell.
However, the rumors involving Damian Lillard and his pending trade request from the Portland Trail Blazers seem to be lingering longer than anyone would like to see. Any movement on either Miami or Portland’s front could be weeks, even months from happening.
Therefore, the Jazz will need to stay both active and flexible through the duration of this offseason. The front office has already maintained some extremely respected improvements on the roster, but there’s even more room for growth.
With a CEO like Danny Ainge being the head of this operation, Jazz fans are in safe hands with how this roster will continue to be constructed moving forward.”
Nice to see that some outsiders appreciate Herro’s value more than some ‘insiders’.
Being the new guy to this board, I just wanted to ask you guys your opinions as to when you think the Dame trade will get resolved & if he eventually will get traded to the Heat?
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Portland's Cronin needs to know that Kobe Bryant, Jalen Rose, Dale Davis, Karl Marlone were drafted overall 13th picks and did not start making their mark in the NBA until their 4th year and for some in their 5th year. Tyler Herro is on course to be that great.
Here's one of the latest "pie in the sky" trade scenarios being discussed by Blazer fans. It must be a combination of Cronin's gaslighting and the wide variety of available hallucinagenics.
Raptors get: Damian Lillard, Nassir Little
Blazers get: Scottie Barnes, Gary Trent Jr., Chris Boucher, Thaddeus Young, Otto Porter Jr., Toronto’s unprotected first-round pick in 2028, and a pick swap in 2029
If all else fails, keep Herro and trade for a PG...or trade Herro for a PG...or trade expiring Lowry contract and pick(s) for a legitimate PG...or?
Just saw this trade proposal. Hmmm? It would leave:
Lillard, DRob, Butler, Bam, Nurkic,
JRich, KLove, Jaquez, T. Bryant, Highsmith, ORob, Cain, (plus three more players, e.g., Smith?, Bouyea?, Drew Peterson?, Nunn? Dragic?).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-trade-machine-a-3-team-damian-lillard-trade-that-actually-works/ar-AA1dOM3w?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=17c00353b3dd4150add57d8802b46179&ei=21
Heat guaranteeing Highsmith contract for 2023-24 season.
From Miami Herald’s Anthony Chiang’s mailbag (includes an interesting fact where, again, Herro has achieved something few other recent draftees have):
“ Tyler: Where do you think Tyler Herro fits best around the league? I’ve seen plenty of rumors about Brooklyn and San Antonio as possible landing spots, and I think either one would be great for him. But beyond that I don’t know who else would be reaching out and trading for him for equal/near equal value.
Anthony Chiang: I’m going to assume you’re a different Tyler and not Tyler Herro himself. Who knows where Herro will end up if the Heat trades for Damian Lillard. But it is strange how Herro’s perceived value on the trade market has been diminished throughout this process. Sure, Herro is entering the first season of a four-year extension that could be worth as much as $130 million, but that contract is going to look better in a few years when the salary cap continues to rise. He’s also just 23 years old (one year older than Heat rookie Jaime Jaquez Jr.) and has already won the NBA’s Sixth Man of the Year Award. Herro is a gifted scorer who has continued to show signs of improvement, averaging 20-plus points in each of the last two seasons. Among those drafted into the NBA since 2019, Herro is one of only six players who has averaged at least 20 points per game in the regular season at least twice during their careers. The others are Zion Williamson, LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards, Darius Garland and Ja Morant.
Herro will never be an elite defender, but he even displayed growth on that end of the court this past season and has been well-schooled in the Heat’s system. Is Herro a perfect player? No. Do the Trail Blazers already have a bunch of young guards on their roster? Yes. But Herro shouldn’t be portrayed as a negative asset because he’s not that. In fact, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reported this week that there are multiple teams that would trade at least one first-round pick for Herro, and even that seems a bit low for what Herro should command on the trade market.”
If the Heat had to start the season with the players they have (plus a back-up PG or two) they could field a pretty good team.
Starters: Lowry, Butler, Martin, Love, Bam
Reserves: Richardson, DRobinson, ORobinson, Bryant, Jovic, Jaquez, Highsmith, Cain, Dragic (free agent/minimum), Nunn (Free agent/minimum)
NBA Rumors: Heat lowball Blazers in Damian Lillard trade talks. (Fansided)
"Basically, the Heat aren’t going to offer more than they have to for Lillard. Unless another team forces their hand — or the Blazers actually threaten to keep Lillard — the Heat simply won’t put forward their best offer.
This is how every trade negotiation plays out, but given the magnitude and complexity of this particular situation, these talks could drag out for months. The Heat are the favorites to land Dame, but don’t expect the move to be announced tomorrow."
https://fansided.com/2023/07/11/nba-rumors-heat-lillard-lakers-dillon-brooks/3/
It would be foolish to trade away a lot of assets for a 33 year old small guard.
From slovenian media., interview with Goran.
He said he wants to play in Miami, but he is talking with several teams.
He said, that he and other free agents are waiting for Lillard trade, but he also said, that he expect this will be solved within days!!!!!!!
So, Goran is in contact with Miami, Miami told him, that he should wait some time (within days) to get Lillard, and sign the conctract after that.
If he knows something more then us, then happy days are in front of us.
From what I can tell sorting through the rumors and podcasts over the past few days...
Nobody besides the Heat is even putting together an offer. Utah, San Antonio, and Brooklyn seem like they would rather trade for Herro, who is younger, getting paid less, and would require fewer trade assets. Brilliant move by Cronin to let the entire league know they could have a younger cheaper option than Dame for a fraction of the trade price, effectively creating a cheaper alternative to the trade he wanted to make and eliminating potential trade partners.
Riley seems like he smells blood, and again just reading between the lines, it sounds like he's lowballing Cronin. The rumor mill has made it clear that the Heat can get at least 1 first round pick, maybe two in exchange for Herro. My guess is that Riley is willing to throw in a couple first round picks and Jovic but not Jaquiz or Caleb, but that is obviously just a guess. I'm guessing Lowry and Duncan are the outgoing salary, and Nurkic comes with Dame.
Cronin is playing the last card he has left, which is to say he's willing to just hold on to Dame and go into the season with his team upside down
So the Heat have two choices. They can up their offer, throw in their last pick and Jaquez and maybe Caleb or some of the Skyforce. Or they can hold out and hope the Blazers get desperate before the season starts.
Based on all of that, it seems like this trade probably won't happen until September. Cronin can get out of the spotlight once football season starts. Riley can throw in an extra pick but keep Jaquez. Cronin doesn't have any other offers and Riley doesn't have any other targets. Unless someone blinks, there is no reason for either of them to rush it
This looks likes a good deal for everyone.
Starters: Lillard, Butler, Martin, Bam, Nurkic,
Bench: DRobinson, ORobinson, Cain, Highsmith, Love, Richardson, plus free agents/undrafted)
https://ripcityproject.com/2023/07/09/grade-trade-blazers-take-flier-ex-nba-superstar-lillard-proposal/2/
Talking about former Heat free agents... Kendrick Nunn, Goran Dragic, Derrick Jones Jr., Markieff Morris, Justise Winslow, Rodney McGruder, Chris Silva, Meyers Leonard, Moe Harkless, KZ Okpala, Dion Waiters and James Johnson. (What happened to Tyler Johnson?)
Cronin is stalling and delaying to hurt the Heat and Dame's chances for adding a decent supporting cast. These reports are hilarious about the Clipeprs and Celtics. They have less than the Heat with players they are willing to give up.
From Frozen Rope - Inside The Jazz:
“ According to Shams Charania of The Athletic, his report details a first-round pick as a potential return for Herro. An asking price that’s not only extremely achievable for the Utah Jazz but is an opportunity they should act on expeditiously.
We know how well the Jazz are stockpiled with draft assets, specifically with first-rounders. It’s much easier said than done to draft a player of Herro’s caliber with one of those selections, so throwing a single pick into a multi-team deal to send him to Utah wouldn’t be the worst decision by any metric.
Sure, his contract does have some weight attached to it, but it’s nothing the Jazz can’t handle on their books. With a low-risk, high-reward addition of Herro, it’s the perfect opportunity to maximize the assets on hand for Danny Ainge and Co.
The hesitancy from making a deal because of the contract implications for a 23-year-old averaging 20 points a game should be borderline irrelevant. There’s clear potential and value in Herro as a player. Passing on that upside and production for such a small reported price is a hard sell.
However, the rumors involving Damian Lillard and his pending trade request from the Portland Trail Blazers seem to be lingering longer than anyone would like to see. Any movement on either Miami or Portland’s front could be weeks, even months from happening.
Therefore, the Jazz will need to stay both active and flexible through the duration of this offseason. The front office has already maintained some extremely respected improvements on the roster, but there’s even more room for growth.
With a CEO like Danny Ainge being the head of this operation, Jazz fans are in safe hands with how this roster will continue to be constructed moving forward.”
Nice to see that some outsiders appreciate Herro’s value more than some ‘insiders’.
poor yert where is he prob getting a rebound somewhere
Dru played terrible, I like bouyea better, but both aren't backup pg material in my opinion.
They gotta have more turnovers than made FG’s.
max so bad in almost every playoff game.dunc is not meant for modern day nba good in the 1960s
We have 2 Dru/ews 😆😁
cain and hh play instead of max and dunc might be wearing a ring
21 turnovers in less than 3 quarters is kinda impressive.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37991024/gm-blazers-willing-wait-months-trade-damian-lillard%3fplatform=amp
Being the new guy to this board, I just wanted to ask you guys your opinions as to when you think the Dame trade will get resolved & if he eventually will get traded to the Heat?
Thanks everyone.
I like Jamal Cain. He reminds me of JRich. He could be a good 3 and D guy with decent size.
Highsmith also.
They need to pull the Dru Smith contract. Oof.